Road Muscle Radio 4/7/2020
Hello fans of fuel and fun, we’re back with Road Muscle Radio. I’m Catfish Groves…
BRETT: I’m Brett Hatfield…
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Coming up in Road Muscle Radio, Ford Motor Company needs help finding the story behind 50 year old pics of a Mustang no one has seen…GAME ON for Monterey in August…no tail lights can red light a robbery…and an interesting list of muscle hot rods…and not-rods. Plus in the second segment, we’ll talk with Ed Lindsey of Lindsey’s Auto Salvage and Hot Rod Shop about what it takes to reach a 50th anniversary for a hidden-away hot rod shop, plus we’ll chat about some of their wild builds, and available finds.
Ford Found Photos Of Mid-Engined Mustang Concept It Forgot Existed
The Chevrolet Corvette finally switched to a mid-engined layout in 2019 after seven generations and 66 years on the market.
In 1966, it appears Ford was also toying around with the idea of a mid-engined layout for its pony car. Four images published by Ford Performance on its official website tell the story of a mid-engined Mustang concept. Interestingly, Ford itself, the company, doesn’t know much about the this car.
The company mentions it stumbled upon these images five years ago and has been trying ever since to find out the car’s history.
The only pieces of the puzzle available right now are that the pictures show a concept based on a 1966 body photographed inside the design studio in Dearborn on May 2, 1966.
Ford talked to Mustan afficiando authors about the car- no luck. The authors talked with product planner Hal Sperlich, the godfather of the Mustang. No luck, except to say:
“The only thing I can think is that this might have something to do with the drivable version of the Ford Research mid-ship car that was used as a Mustang tease.”
They also talked with Gale Halderman, the lead designer of the original Mustang, who had a different opinion about the car’s origins. He believes the mid-engined Mustang pictured here had nothing to do with the Ford Research mid-ship car as that one was developed years before as a one-off not based on a production Mustang.
Other designers, scholars, etc. were contacted. Nothin’.
Which is why Ford is now reaching out to all of us in its attempt to discover the full story. If you happen to have more details about the car, send an e-mail to ClubHub@Ford.com and the company will reward you with a “special prize” if the information provided will help Ford fill in the blanks.
FROM THE “IT’S GONNA BE A HELLUVA SUMMER” FILE: Monterey Peninsula’s Classic Car Week still on track for August
Classic Car Week, with it’s pricey rarities, vintage race cars and amazing relics, is scheduled as planned on the Monterey Peninsula in August.
Beginning with the Monterey Kick-Off Cruise-In on Alvarado Street in Monterey on August 7 and continuing through the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance on August 16, the international gathering includes more than 30 events and attractions.
The Concours d’Elegance, the yearly finale to the festivities, is scheduled to celebrate its 70th anniversary this year on Pebble Beach Golf Links.
“We care deeply about the entrants, judges and guests of the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance, and we want to act wisely in regard to this new challenge that we are all now facing,” organizers posted on the event’s website. “Our event is several months into the future, and we still hope to be able to celebrate our love of cars together on Aug. 16, 2020 — so we continue to plan accordingly.”
Tony Singer, founder of Automobilia Monterey, scheduled August 10-12 at the Embassy Suites in Seaside, said the three-day offering of all things automotive memorabilia, is “still a go.”
“We are almost sold out for vendor space, just a couple of spots remain,” said Singer, a vintage automotive poster collector and dealer. “The plan is to revisit toward the end of May. There are so many events during Car Week that have many more moving pieces, so it will remain to be seen who might pull the plug first.”
Carmel Mayor Dave Potter said after speaking with other organizers, Carmel’s contribution to Classic Car Week, Concourse de Avenue, is still a go.
In Monterey, the Monterey County Convention and Visitors Bureau reported there has been no word from organizers, and that since Classic Car Week is a culmination of over 60 unique events, it would be impossible to assess the situation right now.
“With the fast-evolving nature of this global pandemic, it’s really too soon to tell,” the Bureau reported.
The RM Sotheby’s Auction Company has canceled all its car auctions leading up to Monterey’s.
Mecum Auctions, Monterey, the only daytime auction during Classic Car Week, is scheduled August 13-15 at the Hyatt Regency in Monterey. The nationally televised event annually features about 600 cars, trucks and motorcycles. It’s the eighth of the company’s 12 original scheduled auctions around the country.
Singer believes that although there’s no collective Classic Car Week organization, any change of plans must be determined with no less than three months before Classic Car Week is scheduled.
“But I am cautiously optimistic that the 2020 events will take place.”
But the uncertainty of the coronavirus virus restrictions could still halt the event- so hands washed and fingers crossed
Minnesota traffic stop leads to recovery of $80,000 classic car
Law enforcement recovered a stolen 1956 Ford Thunderbird after a March 18 traffic stop in Belgrade in central Minnesota.
An officer with the Belgrade/Brooten Police Department stopped the vehicle Wednesday evening, March 18, for nonworking tail lights and the driver could not provide information on the vehicle.
The officer tried to contact the owner but found the owner was living in a nursing home. The officer was able to contact the owner’s son, who said the vehicle should be in storage in New London and the vehicle’s worth was estimated to be $80,000.
The officer then detained the driver to investigate further.
The Kandiyohi County Sheriff’s Office was contacted regarding the vehicle and said they had taken a “suspicious person” call around the storage area that matched the description of the man in the vehicle.
The man was transported to the Kandiyohi County Jail and the Sheriff’s Office took possession of the vehicle and will take over the investigation.
Charges are pending in Stearns County for possession of a stolen vehicle and possession of burglary tools.
NO THUNDERBIRD FOR THIS THUNDERTURD!
2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 Shows Up In Leaked VIN Decoder Document
The Ford Mustang GT350 might be going away, too.
A leaked document that allegedly shows the 2021 Ford Mustang VIN codes indicates that the Mach 1 model is on the way for the new model year. The post on the Mustang 6G forum also suggests that the Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 might get the axe.
Can’t confirm whether the document is legit, though.
It specifically mentions the Mach 1 being available as a coupe. The list of available engines includes two entries for the 5.0-liter V8.
Ford already confirms that the Bullitt goes away after the 2020 model year. All signs, including this document, point to the Mach 1 being its replacement in the lineup. Spy shots likely show the vehicle’s development using a camouflaged Bullitt as the starting point.
This document also only mentions the Shelby GT500 and only shows one version of the 5.2-liter V8 being available. This points to the GT350 going away in 2021.
This is the second, alleged Ford VIN document leak in 24 hours. The first focused on the next-gen F-150 and had details like the engine lineup, including hybrid and diesel options.
5 Muscle Cars With Disturbingly Bad Engines (10 That Were Insanely Powerful)
Today’s muscle car is a monster. It’s a steroidal take-no-prisoners retina-flattener, aaaand it’s the price of a small condo.
An article at hotcars.com from last month listed some fun muscle cars- 10 sweet rides, and then 5 underpowered babies. Here’s what they covered:
15Powerhouse: 1967 Chevrolet Corvette
The Corvette once boasted a 427 L88 that was a 7.0-Liter V8, rated at 430 horses. This was an engine that not only made this muscular version of the Vette fly but was also underrated for insurance purposes. In fact, its real power output is closer to 500 horses, turning what was a sports car into proper V8 muscle.
14Powerhouse: 1969 Pontiac GTO
The GTO, which stood for “Grand Tempest Option”, was affectionately dubbed the Goat by muscle car aficionados. We think it had something to do with the “Ram” engine, which propelled the car like a headstrong, head-butting goat. The Ram Air IV engine was rated at 370 horses and 445 lb-ft of torque, but the actual power was a lot more than Pontiac was claiming, because of strict GM rules.
13Powerhouse: 1969 Ford Mustang Super Cobra Jet
1969 seemed to be the year for awesome engines, and how could the Mustang be left behind? Of course, due credit has to be given to Shelby because the Cobra Jet engines were all his brainchild. The 7.0-liter V8 under the hood of the Boss 429 made a cool 375 horses. But the Cobra Jet 428, with the same engine coupled with Shelby tuning, churned 410 horsepower and behaved like a true mustang in the wild.
12Powerhouse: 1969 Chevy Camaro ZL1
The Camaro ZL1 of the late ‘60s was a Camaro that had engine-swapped with the Corvette and got the same 7.0-liter V8. In the Camaro, with a little tuning and better exhausts, it too churned out 500 horses. When this engine went into the 1969 COPO Camaro, the horsepower went up to 550!
11Powerhouse: 1969 Dodge Super Bee
Much likes its cousin, the Plymouth Roadrunner, the Dodge Super Bee also took on the 426 Hemi, aka 6.9-liter V8 that was rated at 410 horses and 490 ft-lb torque. Like the Roadrunner that featured the Looney Tunes Roadrunner character, the Super Bee got a bee as a mascot. Since it came later, the Super Bee was never able to gain the cult status that the Roadrunner had.
10Powerhouse: 1970 Buick GS455 And GSX
Until the second-generation Dodge Viper came along, the Buick GS455 (7.4-liter V8 engine) held the record for the American car with the highest amount of torque, rated at 520 ft-lb. The GS455, when trimmed up and stuffed with performance parts, became the Buick GSX and made 360 horses on paper, though it could be tuned much higher. On normal, stock tires, it ran a quarter-mile in 13.4 seconds, at speeds of 106 mph.
9Powerhouse: 1970 Plymouth Barracuda Hemi
The ‘Cuda, as in a Barracuda on Hemi, really pulled up its sleeves in 1970. The Barracuda did have Hemi options and even the 440 “six-pack” before, but the 1970 7.0-liter Hemi V8 in it took the horsepower up to 425, and that’s something that even most cars today cannot match up to easily.
8Powerhouse: 1966 Ford Galaxie 500 7-Litre
The Galaxie is not a muscle car, but it was the platform on which they showcased what Ford’s power could do to a full-sized sedan. The Galaxie 500 carried the 7.0-Liter Thunderbird V8, good for 345 horses, and could be further tuned to do better with a muffler delete and more such performance parts.
7Powerhouse: 1969 AMC AMX 390
AMC was never a biggie, and being a small company, scraped and scrapped as much as it could to survive the competition offered by the Detroit Three. The AMX hatchback, a compact and light car, came with a 6.3-liter V8 that made 325 horses in the base model but went up to 340 horsepower with The Machine trim, which meant performance parts.
6Powerhouse: 1970 Chevy Chevelle SS 454
When it comes to the best years of muscle cars, it has to be the pre-oil-crisis era, so the late ‘60s and the early ‘70s become your best bets. The Chevy Chevelle came with the SS454 version in 1970 and the 7.4-liter V8 in it made an easy 450 horses in a body that you’d die for on any given day. Loud, brash, and fast, this was the epitome of muscle cars before the era winded down.
5Desperately Needs Power: 1980 Ford Mustang
If you can wrap your mind around a Mustang that made just 88 measly, sick, and about-to-expire horses, you got yourself the Ford Mustang II. Far from the V8s of yore, it came with a 2.3-liter naturally-aspirated inline-four engine that kind of died even before ignition and rolled with little to no semblance of power. Sigh!
4Desperately Needs Power: 1982 Chevrolet Camaro
Two years down the line, Chevy did to the Camaro what Ford did to the Mustang. They got in an engine called “Iron Duke” that got everyone pretty excited, but it was a 2.5-liter inline-four engine that produced a gasping 90 horses. Might as well get out and push the car instead of driving it.
3Desperately Needs Power: 1982 Dodge Challenger
Had they named the rebadged Mitsubishi Galant Coupe anything other than the Dodge Challenger, its 2.6-liter four-cylinder power mill with 100 horsepowers could have churned out a tidy profit for Dodge. But no, they had to call it the Dodge Challenger, and the reasons behind this marketing mishmash challenge our understanding as well.
2Desperately Needs Power: 1979 Oldsmobile 4-4-2
In the ‘60s, Oldsmobiles were known to be powerful, luxurious cars. Apart from a few shambles like the 8-6-4 and the Olds Diesels, this was a brand that made good cars. Why then, in 1979, did they make the Oldsmobile 4-4-2 squeak out only 115 horses on its 3.5-liter V6, which proved too weak for a car this heavy?
1Desperately Needs Power: 1981 Mercury Capri RS Turbo
The Capri should always have been a somewhat naughty car and in 1981. On the same ‘Stang engine that made 88 horses, the Capri RS Turbo made a better 117 horses. Even then, the problem lay with the all-muscular design, combined with the weak engine, disillusioned people enough to make the sales drop low.
If you know somebody we should talk to, throw’em under our motormouths at firstname.lastname@example.org, and we’ll see about having them for an interview.
Several months ago I found a 1963 Mercury Monterey Breezeway listed up near Smithville, north of Kansas City. I went one weekend to look at it, did a lot drive. It needed work some work- there’d been an engine fire that was obviously put out super-fast, so there was practically zerio damage under the hood. Body in great condition, breezeway window went up and down, just needed love. Now, as Brett knows, it’s hard for me to pull the trigger. I hemmed and hawed for a coupla months, then called to start wheelin’ and dealin. OF COURSE, I was too late. It sold to some lucky lady in Smithville.
But- the experience of that whole place where I found it stuck with me. Tucked away, off the beaten path, down a stretch of dirt road, and packed with cool old cars needing love, and cool old cars getting all kinds of love.
Our guest is Ed Lindsey, co-owner of Lindsey’s Auto Salvage and Hot Rod Shop. Lindsey’s Auto Salvage started in 1967 by brothers George and Gerald Lindsey. In 2014, Gerald’s sons Jim and Eddie bought into the business and the 3 currently run the day to day operations.
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